Ran 5.75 with Jeff, then 4.5 barefoot. Averaged 8:30's in XC flats with Jeff, and abut 10 min/mile barefoot. There is a lot of crap, glass, stones and other scree around after the big rains of last week. But you know what is great? Running with my kid: Sixteen and 50 running down the street and now I don't know who the girls out springtime-driving are woo-hoo'ing about!